Season 4 and new structure

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3279043205

To sum it up seasons will now last 2 months rather than the 3-4 they have been in the past.
The new season will end on the 24th.

What do you think of shorter seasons?

Dont matter. Laddering is laddering and its all practice. :).

I agree with The Bro

ok so seeing this thread is getting nothing good I've had a bit more time to think about it and here is why it is the best thing ever.

A consistent ladder season length will allow you to more easily compare your seasons progress with previous ones because the bonus pool will be the same between each season. So you will be able to say last season i got to 1100 points but this season i got to 1200 points therefore i improved. It will also give the GM division some more room to move to allow some other players in there and it will be therefore, be kept more up to date.

That's a good point

Veom wrote:

ok so seeing this thread is getting nothing good I've had a bit more time to think about it and here is why it is the best thing ever.

A consistent ladder season length will allow you to more easily compare your seasons progress with previous ones because the bonus pool will be the same between each season. So you will be able to say last season i got to 1100 points but this season i got to 1200 points therefore i improved. It will also give the GM division some more room to move to allow some other players in there and it will be therefore, be kept more up to date.

The only people the shorter ladder seasons should effect is those waiting to get into GM.
How many points you get in a season is all relative to how much you play during that season... If you get in a car crash and are hospitilised for 4 months, then you aren't going to be saying "AW I'VE DEFINITELY GONE DOWNHILL HERE!"
Point are also relative to your MMR, there gets a point where you will start having less points regardless. Because your MMR will increase and you will get less points for a win. So you can't use points as a justification of whether or not you are improving.

All in all, I definitely like the new short sharp seasons. As this will make blizzard be constantly changing the map pool. And will also give me a little bit of motivation to start a fresh win/loss ratio.

I agree with Veom. Hell...It's about DAMN time! that points actually meant something.

ProHan wrote:

Veom wrote:

ok so seeing this thread is getting nothing good I've had a bit more time to think about it and here is why it is the best thing ever.

A consistent ladder season length will allow you to more easily compare your seasons progress with previous ones because the bonus pool will be the same between each season. So you will be able to say last season i got to 1100 points but this season i got to 1200 points therefore i improved. It will also give the GM division some more room to move to allow some other players in there and it will be therefore, be kept more up to date.

The only people the shorter ladder seasons should effect is those waiting to get into GM.
How many points you get in a season is all relative to how much you play during that season... If you get in a car crash and are hospitilised for 4 months, then you aren't going to be saying "AW I'VE DEFINITELY GONE DOWNHILL HERE!"
Point are also relative to your MMR, there gets a point where you will start having less points regardless. Because your MMR will increase and you will get less points for a win. So you can't use points as a justification of whether or not you are improving.

All in all, I definitely like the new short sharp seasons. As this will make blizzard be constantly changing the map pool. And will also give me a little bit of motivation to start a fresh win/loss ratio.

I rofl'd after reading your first analogy because I have nfi what you were trying to say, lmao. But anyways, about the myth that the more you play the more points you are going to have. This is absolutely non-sense, if everybody you played against was *Teams even* and you gained 8 points for a win and lost 8 points for a loss and you are winning at a 1:1 ratio, are you going to gain more points the more you play? NO! The only reason you ever gain points on the ladder is because of improvement and bonus pool.

I don't think Prohan understands how u gain points out side of the bonus pool...

FighT wrote:

I agree with Veom. Hell...It's about DAMN time! that points actually meant something.

ProHan wrote:

Veom wrote:

ok so seeing this thread is getting nothing good I've had a bit more time to think about it and here is why it is the best thing ever.

A consistent ladder season length will allow you to more easily compare your seasons progress with previous ones because the bonus pool will be the same between each season. So you will be able to say last season i got to 1100 points but this season i got to 1200 points therefore i improved. It will also give the GM division some more room to move to allow some other players in there and it will be therefore, be kept more up to date.

The only people the shorter ladder seasons should effect is those waiting to get into GM.
How many points you get in a season is all relative to how much you play during that season... If you get in a car crash and are hospitilised for 4 months, then you aren't going to be saying "AW I'VE DEFINITELY GONE DOWNHILL HERE!"
Point are also relative to your MMR, there gets a point where you will start having less points regardless. Because your MMR will increase and you will get less points for a win. So you can't use points as a justification of whether or not you are improving.

All in all, I definitely like the new short sharp seasons. As this will make blizzard be constantly changing the map pool. And will also give me a little bit of motivation to start a fresh win/loss ratio.

I rofl'd after reading your first analogy because I have nfi what you were trying to say, lmao. But anyways, about the myth that the more you play the more points you are going to have. This is absolutely non-sense, if everybody you played against was *Teams even* and you gained 8 points for a win and lost 8 points for a loss and you are winning at a 1:1 ratio, are you going to gain more points the more you play? NO! The only reason you ever gain points on the ladder is because of improvement and bonus pool.

Not sure how you wouldn't understand that analogy, but oooooookay. For the simple minded I'll explain a bit better.
You cannot use how many points you are getting in a season to determine if you are improving or not unless you are absolutely sure you can put in the exact same number of games every single season.

I completely missed the fact that bonus pool is relative to when you actually use it up, so half of what I just said is not relevant. But even then, you still have to make sure you play the same number of games every season, otherwise you might play 20 games 1 season, and 60 the next. Obviously you're going to have less points in the first season and substantially more in the next, providing you are going by a 1:1 win/loss ratio.

ProHan wrote:

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FighT wrote:

I agree with Veom. Hell...It's about DAMN time! that points actually meant something.

ProHan wrote:

Veom wrote:

ok so seeing this thread is getting nothing good I've had a bit more time to think about it and here is why it is the best thing ever.

A consistent ladder season length will allow you to more easily compare your seasons progress with previous ones because the bonus pool will be the same between each season. So you will be able to say last season i got to 1100 points but this season i got to 1200 points therefore i improved. It will also give the GM division some more room to move to allow some other players in there and it will be therefore, be kept more up to date.

The only people the shorter ladder seasons should effect is those waiting to get into GM.
How many points you get in a season is all relative to how much you play during that season... If you get in a car crash and are hospitilised for 4 months, then you aren't going to be saying "AW I'VE DEFINITELY GONE DOWNHILL HERE!"
Point are also relative to your MMR, there gets a point where you will start having less points regardless. Because your MMR will increase and you will get less points for a win. So you can't use points as a justification of whether or not you are improving.

All in all, I definitely like the new short sharp seasons. As this will make blizzard be constantly changing the map pool. And will also give me a little bit of motivation to start a fresh win/loss ratio.

I rofl'd after reading your first analogy because I have nfi what you were trying to say, lmao. But anyways, about the myth that the more you play the more points you are going to have. This is absolutely non-sense, if everybody you played against was *Teams even* and you gained 8 points for a win and lost 8 points for a loss and you are winning at a 1:1 ratio, are you going to gain more points the more you play? NO! The only reason you ever gain points on the ladder is because of improvement and bonus pool.

Not sure how you wouldn't understand that analogy, but oooooookay. For the simple minded I'll explain a bit better.
You cannot use how many points you are getting in a season to determine if you are improving or not unless you are absolutely sure you can put in the exact same number of games every single season.

I completely missed the fact that bonus pool is relative to when you actually use it up, so half of what I just said is not relevant. But even then, you still have to make sure you play the same number of games every season, otherwise you might play 20 games 1 season, and 60 the next. Obviously you're going to have less points in the first season and substantially more in the next, providing you are going by a 1:1 win/loss ratio.

False. Assuming you use up all your bonus pool each season, you will have exactly the same amount of points at the end of the season unless you are improving or getting worse. I don't understand why you think playing more would give you more points. You are going to lose exactly the same amount of points as you gain, so the amount of points you have are going to remain the same.

This is like reading a discussion between creationists and atheists.

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Don't worry, FighT explained to me later on.

Did someone let Gasss back on these forums? I havent seen so many quotes since he left! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯